I expected people to respond after posting “How FAITH Kills THINKING; A True Idea Many Do Not Agree With Because Of FAITH Itself“. And a friend did not let me down. He decided to share his perspective with me and I think many will have a lot to learn from our conversation. One may like to know what the need of that will be. But that’s necessary if you take a look on fairness. Thus, making known to all and sundry all sides of the picture and arguments on the GOD topic. We need the acknowledgement of the human intellect to ensure more think, think and think for the progress of humanity. If his submissions in favor of Religion/God are not even the wholistic picture for the religion of christianity, it at leasts makes us aware of how a sect in the christian faith thinks. Below is a WhatsApp conversation.
Nathaniel: You need to understand certain things accurately. Bible defines faith in Hebrew 11:1. Now, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It isn’t true that faith ignores evidence. You will get more understanding if you allow the scripture to explain everything within the Bible. The age of the earth, the script is dated to the time it was written. Remember God created a lot of things before creating man on the sixth day. Scripture says a day to God is like a 1000 years to man and vice versa. Certainly, parts of the book of Revelation was written in apocalyptic literature because, at the time of writing, the apostles were being prosecuted. Revelation chapter 7 verse 1 was a message for christians, and its purpose was to confuse those in authority, thus decipher the message for christians reach without authority’s awareness. John wrote the book when he was in exile on an island. Don’t take it literal in comparison with science. Indeed, the human mind and the christian mind is created to think. That is why we compare every thing in reasoning from the scriptures to see if its in accordance to what the Lord said. The Bible gives definition and criteria for its message, preachers, practitioners and prophets.
AcHaaB_dAn: Lol. That’s it. The use of literal and figurative explanations to support faith. I know about that. This leads to the question, What’s faith? Faith is believing in spite of.
Nathaniel: Hebrew 11;1 defines faith. So faith is not belief in spite of.
AcHaaB_dAn: Okay, before I proceed, in relation to a 1000 years is to 1, I once wrote an article on the age of the universe. You should check that out. There Lies A Conflict between RELIGION & SCIENCE under Real Studies (Earth’s AGE). How do I differentiate what is to be taken literally to what is to be taken figuratively? Now, according to Hebrew 11;1, faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. Take note of “ASSURANCE ABOUT WHAT WE DO NOT SEE“. This certainly includes belief in spite of.
But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. (James 1:6)
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:10)
Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:8-9)
For we live by faith, not by sight.
(2 Corinthians 5:7)
All the above are just a few verses that give an idea on what faith should be.
Nathaniel: Yes. That’s right. Everything has been recorded in the Bible and there will be no contradictions if the Bible explains itself.
AcHaaB_dAn: I’m sorry, but there are contradictions within the Bible itself. That’s why there was even the need to show the distinction between the old and new testaments.
Nathaniel: The Bible tells us to study it in parts. We have to break these parts to make understanding possible.
AcHaaB_dAn: Black should be black in all parts. You can’t call something Black in Part 1 and call it White in Part 2. An all-knowing God will not make that mistake. He knows all right from the end. Speaking on biblical contradictions, I think I’ll have to find you some of the many I encountered while reading the Bible.
Nathaniel: Read Hebrew 1:1
AcHaaB_dAn: Hebrews 1:1 reads, “God, who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets.” Modern day English has it as, “In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways.”
Nathaniel: Add the second verse.
AcHaaB_dAn: You initially told me to read the first. By the way, I’ll add 2. Hebrews 1:2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Modern day English says, “but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”
Nathaniel: Hope you understand that?
AcHaaB_dAn: Should there still be a difference in the message when talking about an all knowing God? Unless God did not know the end from the beginning, that’s kinda unreasonable.
Nathaniel: That’s His ways. There is a purpose for everything.
AcHaaB_dAn: I will not make a mistake when I know the right path. No. I dont think there is a purpose. I think purpose are man made ideas created to suit their own ambitions.
Nathaniel: The book of Hebrews will inform you to understand the purpose of the new testament and why the old has come to an end.
AcHaaB_dAn: Please explain what you think that purpose is. But before you start, take note that there’ll be no need for the renovation of a building when the building is perfect. This God we are talking about has so many attributes, He should be flawless. He shouldn’t commit the very mistakes of man.
Nathaniel: Of course. Let’s explain it this way, God had a bigger plan. Now, before this plan was to be materialized, He sampled the Israel nation and tested it on then. God saw that the convenant was too difficult for them to obey. This was so because of its compulsive nature. Then He gave the free will to man to worship Him through a new convenant by believing in Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection.
AcHaaB_dAn: Hahaha. He sampled the Israel nation and tested it on? Really? That means He did not know the outcome in the first place, hence questioning His Omniscience.
Nathaniel: Hebrew 1:1-2 says
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
AcHaaB_dAn: It was the same God. Thats the issue. It’s not Zeus speaking to them in the old testament and Poseidon speaking in the other.
Nathaniel: Yeah. When God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac he changed again and gave Abraham a ram to use in sacrifice. Understand God’s ways. No, it’s the same God in the Old And the New.
AcHaaB_dAn: When you know the right method and how humanity will relate to it, you’ll use it from the onset. God should not have to go through tests to know of outcomes. Ipso facto, that puts one of His billion attributes to question. Did God really need to know Abram’s faith through testing? Where did His Omniscience go?
Nathaniel: God wanted to bless the Israelites yet allowed them become slaves. That way, the miracle comes in a hopeless situation to strengthen the faith of man. Read Hebrew 10:10-16. Make use of the modern English.
Nathaniel: I can see you are enjoying the scriptures.
AcHaaB_dAn: “Wow” here means “Surprise” and not “Enjoyment”. So God is prepared to allow me to suffer in the first place just to give Him praise and to teach me faith? That’s authentic wickedness. What of the many Israelites who died out of Pharoah’s maltreatment?
Nathaniel: God’s ways are simple to understand, He teaches you more through the difficulties. Through that, Isreal became a hard working nation. David was taught leadership principles when he was a shepherd before becoming King.
AcHaaB_dAn: So what lesson will be there for those who die in suffering?
Nathaniel: Read Hebrew 10:10-16. For others to die it even makes it reasonable for those alive to believe more and see the faith in God as precious. People died for Ghana’s Independence and that’s why we hold it Supreme.
AcHaaB_dAn: That’s not reasonable for the one who meets demise to me. And all are to be equally loved by a Benevolent God. So one cannot be given a special preference to benefit from the other’s death. And are you now comparing God to man? Let me tell you why this is an issue. We are talking of a God with all the Great attributes that an entire nation of Ghanaian citizens will not be able to collectively beat even when given the benefits of gazillions of years.
Nathaniel: I am making this comparism for your understanding.
AcHaaB_dAn: I already understand that man is far less than God regardless of Him creating us in His image. After all, a day to Him is like a 1000 years to man.
And this was how it ended. Laughter from Nat. In case he sends another point, I won’t hesitate to put that up here.
Achaab Daniel ABALANSA